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Your top 3 tanker questions answered

Your top 3 tanker questions answered

Photo credit: Ecstatacist on flickr.

A lot happened on the tankers file over the summer, so it’s no wonder that many of you are asking what all the announcements mean. Here’s our take on your Top 3 questions.

1. Do the five conditions outlined by the B.C. government in July change anything?

    The only condition that was really new (and thus gained media attention) was the “fair share” requirement, which played out as B.C. demanding Alberta for a cut of oilsands royalties.

    It received the most attention for good reason — the other four (pass the environmental review, “world-leading” marine and on-land oil spill response and First Nations legal requirements) were largely reiterations of conditions that have to be in place no matter what.

    So, would a revenue-sharing agreement make oil tanker proposals in the best interests of British Columbians? The short answer is: no.

    The basic political decision that needs to be made is whether B.C. is willing to accept this particular category of catastrophic risk at all. The basic facts of the matter are simple: sometimes, despite all precaution, oil spills happen, and because oil spills are so messy and impossible to fully clean up, sometimes no amount of money can make things right again. That’s why so many First Nations and local governments have definitively said ‘no’ to these projects. Many have gone so far as to clarify that ‘no’ doesn’t mean ‘for a price’, rather ‘no means no’. Taking into account that high degree of local, definitive opposition you can re-state the basic political question as: is the B.C. government willing to force the risk of catastrophe on unwilling communities?

    The B.C. Liberals’ five conditions don’t give British Columbians a clear answer, which perhaps partially explains their continued slump in the polls.

    2. In August the B.C. NDP announced they’d create a “made in B.C.”  environmental review process for the proposed Enbridge pipeline and tankers project. Is this good or bad?

      Well, it’s confusing, but it’s probably a good thing. Here’s why: In 2010, the B.C. government signed an “equivalency agreement” with the federal government, which meant the federal environmental assessment of Enbridge’s project would do double-duty by standing in for B.C.’s assessment, too. Essentially we gave our own independent review away. We agree that overall it’s good to avoid duplication, but the problem with the federal Enbridge review is that it doesn’t put B.C.’s interests first, even though we have the most to lose.

      What the NDP is saying is that, if elected next May, they’ll serve the federal government with notice to terminate the equivalency agreement, taking back the right for B.C. to hold its own environmental assessment. The confusing part is that this makes it sound like the NDP are backing away from a strong position of ‘No’ and instead saying ‘let’s have more review’. But what the NDP are saying is that this is simply a required step to restore legal powers. We’ve looked into this, and it makes sense. One thing is certain, if the NDP were to ever backpedal from their strong position there would be a political firestorm in B.C.

      3. Does David Black’s proposal to build a refinery near Kitimat change Dogwood’s position on Enbridge Northern Gateway?

        Actually, Dogwood Initiative’s position is broader than any one given project. Our No Tankers petition asks for the federal and provincial governments to use whatever means are available to halt the expansion of crude oil tanker traffic through B.C.’s coastal waters in order to protect the jobs, communities and environment of our coast. If David Black’s proposal only led to increased tanker traffic carrying refined products, his project would not violate that aspect of our petition.

        However, our petition also states that we recognize both the Coastal First Nations and Save the Fraser declarations, and the First Nations authority exercised therein, which combined prohibit the expansion of both crude oil pipelines and tankers to B.C.’s coast. And because the Black proposal would still require the Enbridge Northern Gateway crude oil pipeline, we would stand with the First Nations that are opposed.

        So overall, our official oil tanker policy plus our recognition of the First Nations declarations means that Dogwood is effectively opposed to the expansion of crude oil pipelines and tankers through our coast, in whatever form.

        Overall, we think Black’s proposal is focused on making a bad project less bad — we’d prefer to start with ideas that are good and improve from there.

        Thank you to Ecstatacist on Flickr for the image. Used under a creative commons license.

         

        Richard Lucier-larson says:
        Sep 16, 2012 10:31 AM

        No tankers, it's not worth the risk.
        Start on renewable energy as has happened in Europe. It's very easy to clean up after a wind turbine wind spill.

        Robert Branning says:
        Sep 16, 2012 01:16 PM

        Only if there are spesific distances between towers and a turbine that more advanced and quieter or better Engineering.

        Al B says:
        Sep 17, 2012 08:08 AM

        David Black can build all the refiineries he wants in Kitamat and never sell a drop. You got to remember the cost of refining in Canada is about 50 times that of China, so the cost of a litre would be through the roof by their standards. Sorry, they just want the crude, the same as they just wanted the logs. Cheaper to mill or refine there.

        Terilee Hague says:
        Sep 17, 2012 02:44 PM

        Pay now or pay later. We are all going to pay m ore eventually so the money might as well stay here. Norway charged companies 90% tax for their oil and the companies accepted it. Norway keeps 12 bucks a barrel for their oil, canada under a dollar. go to www.thetyee.ca for more revealing facts about how we are just not managing what we have left for the benefit of all canadians.

        donna deneault says:
        Sep 19, 2012 04:44 PM

        Dear Richard Lucier-Larson: your comment is beautifully put !

        Andrena Moore says:
        Sep 16, 2012 12:35 PM

        There are so many better, long term options. For instance a new method of nuclear energy production using Thorium in LFTR technology. It's worthy of consideration on top of traditional renewable energy sources.

        Robert Ritchie says:
        Sep 16, 2012 12:37 PM

        Let´s all be responsible Canadians and make sure we don´t even have a chance of messing up the country that we are all so proud of!

        Bob Loveless says:
        Sep 16, 2012 01:45 PM

        Jeff Rubin, author and former chief economist of CIBC World Markets, said recently "The export of raw bitumen is simply not in Canada’s long-term economic interests. And regardless of the economics, the Great Bear is no place for oil pipelines, oil refineries, or oil tanker traffic. That’s why I’m supporting Coastal First Nations and WWF as they say “No” to the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline and I will be supporting their efforts to secure a more sustainable future for the Great Bear region."

        Stewart J. Wright says:
        Sep 16, 2012 01:47 PM

        There is all the energy we will ever use and it's just under your FEET. You do believe that the earth is still molten not too far down from you you live. Geothermal Energy is there for the taking. With today's technology, if we can dig a hole from England to France then surely we can dig DOWNWARDS. Iceland uses a lot of steam powered generators. Oil companies do not want anyone to come up with alternative, until all the oil is gone !!!. Never mind going to the moon, lets use our brains and tap into the earth's vast energy source.

        Bob Loveless says:
        Sep 16, 2012 01:52 PM

        Morocco Plans to Produce 14% of its Energy From Solar Power by 2020. And here is a link to some of the latest research being done on Wind Power ... http://www.constantinealexander.net/2012/09/enough-wind-to-power-global-energy-demand.html.

        bernadette slosmanis says:
        Sep 16, 2012 02:48 PM

        I agree with all of the above, except the 'equivalency agreement". I don't trust the Harper Government. BC's Independent Review should be kept independent.

        Eric Swanson says:
        Sep 24, 2012 12:35 PM

        Hi Bernadette, just to clarify: we also support cancelling the equivalency agreement, to help B.C. take back more control over Enbridge's proposal.

        Jeff Barkley says:
        Sep 16, 2012 03:18 PM

        Solar power is now the same price as nuclear, but with no meltdowns, no massive cooling required, and no legacy of extremely dangerous and difficult to store byproducts. I seriously think it is a major conspiracy, with nuclear and oil and gas corporations, along with their purchased politicians leading the way toward destruction of our planet. I'm not sure what will be required to stop them, but it sure won't be easy...

        Justin LeBlanc says:
        Sep 16, 2012 03:22 PM

        Even if there was zero chance of an oil spill, we should still be opposed to the expansion of tar sands development resulting from pipelines and tankers leaving BC's coast. Everyone who shares Earth's atmosphere will suffer the consequences from an inhospitable climate if we don't stop our reliance on fossil fuels.

        Lisa Stepp says:
        Sep 16, 2012 03:56 PM

        No tankers, no pipeline - period.

        L.R. says:
        Sep 16, 2012 03:56 PM

        I've seen video of Scandanavian?-designed wind turbines that had smooth, vertical spring-loaded blades on a post. They could be stopped by touching them, and were quiet. I wonder how they rate? Tiny footprint and easy for birds to navigate.

        Judy Harper says:
        Sep 16, 2012 04:03 PM

        Thanks to the First Nations for standing their ground.

        Barbara Kohlman says:
        Sep 16, 2012 04:04 PM

        I do sympathize with all of you in the oil industry, that you will be looking for a new line of work. HEY, that is what the loggers had to do, when they shipped all our logs to Asia. Next will be our water, this rape and pillage of our beautiful country has got to stop.

        Roy Mills says:
        Sep 16, 2012 04:09 PM

        Eastern Canada imports oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuala. Alberta exports light sweet crude to America. Better if we used it ourselves. Alberta, understandably wants to capitalise on its oil, even its heavy tar sands stuff, So they should refine it for use in Canada or to export as good quality oil until the world wakes up and finds non polluting sources of energy. At no time should BC or its coastal waters be involved in the export of Alberta's heavy crude oil, better it stays in the ground.

        Chris Armstrong says:
        Sep 16, 2012 06:33 PM

        NEVER GET COMPLACENT! Although Enbridge's 10-year pipeline track record proves beyond all question their ingrained corporate INCOMPETENCE, and they lie and treat us like idiots; Big Oil has great patience, very deep pockets, a longterm big (mostly hidden) agenda, and big supporters in big Government. The NGP/Northern Gateway Pipeline carrying very highly abrasive "dilbit" would be a guaranteed disaster for British Columbia! None of the buyers care a wit about BC, its environment, or its future generations. They want our resources, period! We should refine the dilbit in Canada, close to the source, and sell a much higher value product to the world, possibly even involving MUCH LOWER RISK pipelining. That is where Big Oil can put their money.

        Dave C says:
        Sep 16, 2012 07:00 PM

        Great post! I appreciate the perspective given on these different issues. And I certainly agree with Dogwood's position in calling for a "halt on expansion of crude oil tanker traffic on BC's coast"...

        I do wonder about the NDP's decision however, to call for a 're-instatement' of a provincial environmental review on top of the federal review. It must be admitted that it's clearly redundant... And one has to wonder; has the entire process of "environmental assessments" become so politicized, that we need different reviews from different governments, to ensure that "these people's" or "those people's" interests are are being served? Are these reviews not supposed to be scientific?

        I think the effort should be directed at establishing a properly scientific, "apolitical" environmental review process, grounded in concrete research and our most reliable and current knowledge of biology and ecology, rather than simply adding on a second level of politically and ideologically driven rubber-stamping. There's no reason why an environmental review done by the federal government cannot equally represent the interests of BC residents and all Canadian citizens, and even all people everywhere - so long as it actually did what it's supposed to do: establish what effects the proposed project will have on the surrounding ecosystems... 

        To advocate two different reviews, seems to me to betray an underlying desire to simply see all projects for industrial or commercial development "fail", by being bogged down in endless red tape - which is a legitimate complaint from the "pro-business" community...

        Still, I certainly appreciate all that Dogwood is doing, so please keep it up!!! :-)

        Eric Swanson says:
        Sep 24, 2012 12:56 PM

        Hi Dave, great comment.

        On the NDP's desire for a B.C. review in the case of Enbridge: Under section 31 of the B.C. Environmental Assessment Act the Minister can essentially create a custom review that could easily incorporate everything that the federal Joint Review Panel has found, while adding supplementary topic-specific reviews e.g. of the impact on B.C.'s economy from higher domestic energy prices that would result, better First Nations consultation that kind of thing. So, B.C.'s review could easily be supplementary rather than redundant.

        On the role of science and technical reviews, generally: What these oil tanker and pipeline projects highlight is the distinction between questions of 'what is the risk?', and questions of 'what types of risk are acceptable?'. The role of science is in the former, the role of politics is in the latter. Scientific and technical reviews cannot make fundamental risk tolerance decisions for societies. What we think should have happened with Enbridge's proposal is for a fundamental risk tolerance decision to have been politically made at the outset. Are affected communities, and the province overall, willing to accept the category of catastrophic risk posed by oil spills into our rivers or coast? If the answer is 'yes or maybe', then we should launch full scale scientific and technical reviews. If the answer is 'certainly not', then we should make a political decision against these projects and move on. What we've heard for a long time now is that the most affected communities, and the majority of British Columbians overall, have made the fundamental risk tolerance decision of 'certainly not', suggesting that the Joint Review Panel process, for example, is redundant in that is attempting to inform a political decision that could have already been made at the outset.

        Eric Swanson says:
        Sep 24, 2012 12:59 PM

        Further to the above - we understand that the NDP's legal team has concluded that a B.C. review is necessary to strengthen their legal position should the federal government choose to challenge B.C. in the future over these proposals - even though the NDP have already made a clear political, risk tolerance decision against Enbridge.

        Edwin Headwind says:
        Sep 16, 2012 07:41 PM

        It is just weird to consider building a special refinery at Kitimat to refine the bitumen instead of refining it at the Tar Sands. That whole huge "twin pipeline" that takes the diluents back to Alberta could just be a single little pipe carrying refined products one way. Think of the energy savings!!
        So, WHY? - "refining margins are too slim" to build a refinery in Alberta - but it IS profitable to pipe it elsewhere to refine it?. Something is utterly wrong with this economic system.

        Jane Wolters says:
        Sep 16, 2012 07:43 PM

        Yes, let's explore Thorium.

        RockyRacoon says:
        Sep 16, 2012 08:44 PM

        What we need to work on is dispelling the myth that this project will be a net gain for Canada-the economics are bad except for the owner's of the resource and that is NOT the people.

        Steve Garnett says:
        Sep 16, 2012 09:13 PM

        It is plain and simple: We have to change the way we live/work, and we must accept a simpler lifestyle, consuming less. Not easy with the way our economy is now structured (constant growth), but a necessity for long-term survival! We have to think long-term, not a generation or two.

        Justin LeBlanc says:
        Sep 17, 2012 11:32 AM

        Perfectly said! I absolutely agree.

        Robin Chambers says:
        Sep 16, 2012 11:40 PM

        So how do we change the mind of the Prime Minister??

        Sven Hansen says:
        Sep 17, 2012 08:23 AM

        I hate to have to say it but, this will probably end up happening no matter how much opposition we put forth. Business runs the show, and they will get thier way eventually, its just a matter of time. Clark is going to make it seem like she cares by jumping through some hoops, but in the end our government will bow to the pressure, Native bands will be paid off and this thing will get stuffed through in the name of "creating jobs" and "growing the economy". Spills will happen, both on the land and in the sea, and in ten years we will shake our heads at the mess.

        I doubt our incoming government, the NDP, will be willing or able to do anything different really.

        Terilee Hague says:
        Sep 17, 2012 02:50 PM

        Hi Sven, I understand your cynicism, however I don't agree. I find the fatalism of your comments really counter productive to what needs to be done, which is for all of us to stand together on this. Imagine the Brits saying 'its no use, the germans have all the bombs, the USA will never come to our aid, we might as well quit.This is my generations time to stand. This shall not pass. That is what we need to be thinking.

        Anthony Robinson says:
        Sep 18, 2012 09:20 AM

        Black and Enbridge correctly assume we Canadians are lazy dimwits.
        We Canadians would never question why a refinery is logical in Kitimat and not logical outside the Edmonton area. We dimwits would never suspect a refinery in Kitimat is just a ploy to get raw Tar Sands bitumen piped to the coast for eventual shipping to China when the current heat of close observation cools down. TG

        gill picard says:
        Sep 23, 2012 11:50 AM

        How about LNG tankers? I understand that if they rupture, the product just evaporates.

        gill picard says:
        Sep 23, 2012 12:00 PM

        We are in a different position than most in that we just don't get the sunshine for solar energy. Wind power is not being exploited very much and neither is wave power which is making great in roads in Portugal and Holland. Why is it that we're not on board with that kind of power. There are many other ways to get energy, it is now possible to get hydrogen from effluents and all kinds of other waste and we can also make cellulosic ethanol without even touching corn or any other edible crop.
        Why are BC and Canada so slow in taking advantage of all these new technologies? Maybe because we have too much oil and gas?

        Rayshelon says:
        Oct 18, 2012 04:35 AM

        Gosh, I wish I would have had that ifnormatoin earlier!

        Lucia says:
        Jan 05, 2013 08:53 PM

        Basic thing could be as done as with projects, evaluate the risk and the severity; if high severity and consequence disastrous; then do not do it! it is RED-RED;
        In addition; is about the time to tell governments and corporations that all this fuss to go after oil is their self interest (BIG OIL MONEY). Intents of finding and developing alternative and safer technologies have been boycotted by big business all the times.

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